Integrated ROAD e-Bikes with Hidden Motors: game changer or just a massive cheat?

Integrated ROAD e-Bikes with Hidden Motors: game changer or just a massive cheat?

We look at latest integrated Road e-bikes, with “hidden” motors and concealed batteries: these bikes look like regular road bikes but offer power boost when needed (up to 200mins, 250w ave, 400w peak). But do you prefer old school real cycling? Indeed are ebikes a good idea for regular cyclists or will they destroy your work ethic and training gains? Whatever your view on ebikes you have to admire the technology.

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Footage thanks: JE James / RenRAD / / Focus / Cube / Pinarello

Readers Comments (50)

  1. Wasupwitdat1 Mofiki May 5, 2021 @ 12:18 am

    You want an e-bike for whatever reason that’s fine with me. Cycling on bikes is good for the environment, well e-bikes not so good because of the batteries, but they are better than gasoline powered motors. I won’t ever buy one because I don’t care how fast or slow I can ride, that’s not the reason I ride. I ride to get out of the house and get some fitness, see some views, and clear my head. I don’t ride with groups because I feel that is a dangerous thing to do so no need to be able to keep up with anyone. If I see you on any type of bike I am likely to wave and I won’t pass judgement, I’ll just be happier that you are not a car or truck. I would add this though, with the economic situation the World is in now, what will the future be like for the bike industry now. I know a lot of R&D for bike products, manufacturing, shops, etc. will all be shutting down permanently so I don’t think we should get our hopes up that e-bike development is going to take off any time soon. And those who have made the investment already good luck getting services for those bikes. At least my time test tried and true old fashion pedal bikes will always be rideable.

  2. DKL Vehículos Eléctricos DKL May 5, 2021 @ 12:18 am

    Does anyone know how much Nm can this motor can achieve??

  3. Philly Cheese Take May 5, 2021 @ 12:18 am

    My view is, so long as it stops cars being driven, it can only be a good thing. It will be so cool once someone brings out a viable regenerative-braking e-bike.

    Hopefully there will be e-bike racing in the not too distant future.

  4. sylvain bernaers May 5, 2021 @ 12:20 am

    i am 62. cheating is cheating.fake is fake.

  5. Are you out riding? Do you use a car to commute to work? Stop being idiots.

  6. E-bike innovation should be embraced. At 70 I’m on my first Orbea D40. I say my first as I suspect I will want more. I’m not competing with anyone but myself and the game is to not reach for the assist button until my body screams out for a bit of relief. This is letting me get fit without losing confidence or giving up because it’s too hard, two of the main reasons people give up on fitness goals. I am a lifelong fitness expert and fierce competitor and would always declare any assistance I was getting when “competing”. My new bike is an equaliser and anyone I cycle with knows that and embraces it. I can ride with younger fitter people and not hold them up. I can also incrementally reduce my “assist” function and get fitter as I ride. e-bike adverse snobbery will make way for more integrated group rides where the breadth of the participants experience will enrich everyone’s ride. I live at the top of a 10% 3k hill and I can assure doubters that, once I’ve left the peloton, I reach for that assist to get me home, because by that stage my legs are buckling, it’s a welcome help up the hill. Finally, I am no less fatigued after a ride now than I was on an unassisted bike riding on my own. The difference is this older man is now keeping good company and appreciating the skill and fitness of younger fitter friends, whereas the lonely rides and impossible 10-20% climbs would have me give up and die in my chair. Viva Orbea!

  7. Would like Orbea Gain for my daily commute. Price wise about right.

  8. mikemerrill175 May 5, 2021 @ 12:23 am

    You’d think some of these recreational riders were racing or something based on the comments

  9. Yeah since I got a heart disease I’m also thinking about buying an ebike. I’m no more allowed to do strenuous exercises and I’ve been a cyclist and athlete for about 20 years. I don’t want to miss the feeling of riding a bike and even I want to ride hard uphill, I have to listen to my brain 😃

  10. Great video! Thanks for mentioning us 🙂

  11. Raymond Scott May 5, 2021 @ 12:28 am

    My only gripe on e bikes is the price. I mean 7 grand? Will the price point ever drop down to say below 2 or even a $1000.

  12. As long as it gets someone on a bike, then it’s a good thing. If it’s not being used to cheat, and it’s instead used to otherwise ease a ride one might avoid (for whatever reasons one may have), then it’s good. Enjoy!

  13. I do not see any of you at the Tour De France, so get over your ego!

  14. Graeme Savage May 5, 2021 @ 12:34 am

    I agree, should have seen this earlier, I just purchased an Orbea Gain M30, really looking forward to get out on the road

  15. Great for sharing epic hills with better climbers. Yes, I could get fitter and lighter, but I’d still be miles off my stick thin, mountain goat mates. This way we can share some big elevation rides, and they’re not waiting forever at the top. I still toast them on the flats 😉

  16. I don’t get the cheating argument at all. Bikes are devices designed to transfer muscle energy into motion more efficiently than walking or running. If using an e-bike is cheating, then so is using any bike at all.

  17. An e-bike changed my life. 59 years old. Just started cycling in February. Now I cant stop. 5,600 miles, 151,000 feet climbed. Usually average over 20mph per Strava. I don’t compete in Strava leaderboards, but track my own PRs. I now do group rides with the fastest riders in the area. The riders of regular bikes have been very supportive, especially when I pull up a hill! I get my heart rate to 150BPM for 2-3 hours. I dont think that is lazy. Great video. My bike currently looks more like a mountain bike, but at some point I will change to a road bike style ebike.

  18. Its not cheating. You still have to pedal. Twats.

  19. The Ribble e road bike is basically the same as the orbea but only weighs 11.5kg and I think the orbea with battery is 2 kg heavier? Correct me if I am wrong though.

  20. Gordon Barnes May 5, 2021 @ 12:40 am

    Very helpful article!
    I purchased a full suspension Ebike last year (Merida) and have just done a week`s riding off road in Scotland. It has a Shimano Steps motor and detachable battery – so was recharged every night in each hotel (it never ran out of battery even cycling all day).
    The need to recharge easily overnight is for me a requirement as I would be taking the road bike down to the Pyrenees or the Alps to do successive rides on different days – I can`t see the hotels wanting a bike in the bedroom if it has a non detachable battery. So I favour the Pinarello Nytro and the Cube.
    The Cippoloni looks stylish (of course!) but the absence of disc brakes on a heavier road bike is a major draw back.
    I have discs on my standard road bike and the difference from rim brakes is amazing.
    By the way I`m a life long cyclist – now 76 years old so E bikes for me will help me keep cycling!

  21. Ever heard of fee will. You don’t own the universe. Surprised to here that truth?

  22. Spiral Architech07 May 5, 2021 @ 12:42 am

    I am sorry, but a true cyclist 🚴 uses his/hers leg power… No electrical shite.
    People who want to ride far and fast but do not have the legs and lungs for it and needs an e-bike to accomplish it, thats fine. But then they are e-cyclists.. Not (real) cyclists.

  23. Sometimes you have a passion in life that reaches an inevitable end, the ability to continue riding with your son, to ride the hills and courses you love, to stay with a younger bunch and not being dropped and riding solo home. Age and injuries take their toll and if I was told I could still enjoy my passion without genuine limitation for another 5-10yrs, I would choose it in a heartbeat. For those anti-ebike individuals out there, my choice of bike will and always remain mine, not yours. My circumstances are unique to me, not you. My passion for cycling and how I enable it is my decision….period😐

  24. Global Cheating Network

  25. Donal Fitterer May 5, 2021 @ 12:46 am

    I love it! Need an update for 2019.

  26. people cant even get out of the house and participate in any outdoor activity without motor assist. the growth of motorized sports is directly corralated with the increase in mean waist size. i know they are awesome for commuting, for people with disabilities and lets face its a huge high en market but if someone wants to get fit a real bicycle is the way to go. ebike are not bicycles they are motor bikes, lets not forget that. you are not a cyclist when you ride one your a moto rider. they should certainly not be allowed on non motorized mtb trails. when the motor can produce lets say 500watts for 3 hrs, why even bother pedaling really. human nature being, follow the path of least resistance we will have a lot of overweight middle aged men soft pedaling out there pretending to be cyclists. its not because they are boon for the industry that they should be accepted in the cycling world.MOTOR BIKE=MOTO RIDERS=SIMPLE

  27. sylvain bernaers May 5, 2021 @ 12:48 am

    buy an electric scooter and leave sport to sportsmen and women

  28. Robert Barnes May 5, 2021 @ 12:49 am

    This video missed mentioning one important group of riders besides cheats and slackers who might want an e-bike — riders like me. I’m 69 years old, have been hyper-fit all my life, but a series of small strokes has left me unable to do any exercise beyond walking. Life is a honey badger — it don’t care what your plans are, it deals with you the same. When I was 35 I intended to continue with everything until I dropped. Well, I dropped a lot sooner than planned. e-bikes sound ideal for the elderly or disabled who are accustomed to aggressive riding. They might just need a little help.

  29. Timothy Bradek May 5, 2021 @ 12:49 am

    Can someone please explain why no one has incorporated a small generator type device, as seen and known some 30 plus years ago, to send power to the headlamp. A simple little generator powered by a small wheel that ran on the front wheel rim powering the headlamp. Why not do likewise sending a trickle charge to today’s e-bike battery?

  30. Its just more fun to go faster

  31. Jibril Channel May 5, 2021 @ 12:52 am

    I like to ride an ebike in different places. You can enjoy more the scenery than ridding in a motorcycle.

  32. I have a 25 kg e-bike, it is basicly a transporter. Change a few things to make it a bit more aero and better suited for training. I now go out for laps that are more then I can do, starting with the e-motor turned off. Just make myself workout while enjoying being outside. When I get tired I push and push and push but when the lights go out….. i turn on the motor and have it bring me home. As it is pedal assist I still need to pedal which is actually a good cooling down.
    This transporter-e-bike allows me to on bike what I used to do by car and get some exercise while doing so. The e-motor is just a safety catch in case my body is finished before the trip is. Actually, I try to make the trip long enough so it will.

    I feel no need to hide it, I am on a e-bike. And even when the assist is stopping when over 24 km/h I feel no urge to tell anyone…..yes I sometimes overtake race-bike(r)s. I do this for myself, I enjoy it and don’t need others to appreciate it.

    So conclusion, turn off the e-motor as often as possible to have as much workout as possible in your life, but turn the e-motor on if really needed to save yourself from injury or arriving sweaty at a meeting/work etc

  33. Who cares.

    If you want one, buy one.

  34. mikemerrill175 May 5, 2021 @ 12:57 am

    The discussions remind me of the skier vs snowboarder conflict.

  35. orbea gain very good !!!!!!!!!

  36. Thanks fór choosing our product.
    Werher you are a professional or amateur rider, this bike will provide you with countless, unforgetable moments ahead of the peloton with a fraction of the training that would be required from you to be abble to hold on to that position in clean racing conditions.
    Climb the Ventoux or the Tourmalet puffing on a big fat splif wile the rest sucumb to asma and cardiac arrests further down the climb. And all this, without leaving the confort of your saddle, but must importantly, keeping your smile pass the finish line and on your way to the blood transfussion caravan, just before the drug test..

  37. I honestly don’t know why some cyclists get so hung up about electric bikes. If you don’t want to know about them fine. Carry on riding your normal bike and all will be good with the world. However, not everyone is as fit as the people who seem to be the most objectionable about these machines. Some people need an electric bike because of age, physicality, injuries, a lack of fitness or perhaps they just can’t be bothered putting much effort in. The bottom line is that is nobodies god damn business what bike somebody else has so can everyone just do their thing and stop making judgements ? Surely it would be great for the planet if millions of people got on a bike instead of doing short journeys in cars ?

  38. Roger Armstrong May 5, 2021 @ 1:01 am

    There are so many gear ratio set ups , are easier gears cheating🧐 , absolutely not. It’s a form of assistance. There are people out cycling who might have injuries, or illness, just because you cycle past faster stop judging people who’s circumstances you don’t have a bloody clue about. A motor assist is now like a couple of extra gears for us who might want to carry on cycling. What should we do , get off the roads we are not worthy.. The ones who call it cheating are a disgrace and too far up your own arse in my honest opinion

  39. Bill Gilchrist May 5, 2021 @ 1:04 am

    I love riding bikes it doesn’t have to be all about fitness I love my e-bike

  40. Hey guys, i have a road bike and i want to add this motor to my bike ; i don’t use it for racing only for deliveries 😂🤣 I’m tired from climbing hills and i don’t want to get an ebike.

    So, how can i get this motor or a different one and integrate it to my bike. Btw, i live in France

  41. Paul Collins May 5, 2021 @ 1:05 am

    I have an Orbea Gain d40 2019 and have ridden 2000km over the hilly roads here in Devon bike has been great it doesn’t take over the ride but is like a good tail wind, the range including 1700m of climbing is 54km but I made a water bottle battery which doubles the range. This bike has enable me to ride 10 hours a week without killing myself max speed with assistance 15.5mph so I get help on the hills but not on the flat great for training Really like the disc brakes and the geometry makes for a comfortable ride

  42. Selwyn Wener May 5, 2021 @ 1:06 am

    Baby maker?.. really

  43. Michel Charette May 5, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    I am definitely not ready for an e-bike yet. However, when the time comes that riding up hills, never mind mountains, is too difficult, I will get one. If the choice is between not riding or using motor assist, I will choose the assist. But that is a long ways off for me as I am only 68.

  44. Mike beattie May 5, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    I’m 71 and have an Ebike they really help on the hills but don’t make any difference on the flats and decents , I think battery life could be a lot better should be able to ride a 100k in boost mode on a single charge but can’t

  45. Steven Booth May 5, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    People with heart conditions and spinal injuries want to RIDE not struggle. Struggling WILL end my life or at least cripple me so I can no longer ride. I hope those that call riding an ebike cheating and their riders ‘weirdos’ never have the need to ride an ebike over a regular bike but life can be rather cruel at times. You do NOT need to hide the fact you ride one. This video is totally idiotic and fosters the idea you should be hiding the fact you ride one. Anyone who has the gall to call it cheating to my face gets it with both barrels.

  46. The Mechanic May 5, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    So if you add a motor to a bike would that then turn it into a motorbike?

  47. Wow

  48. БЕШЕНЫЙ КАЧ May 5, 2021 @ 1:13 am

    Laziness-the devil’s toy, in Russia, those who put electric motors on bicycles do not pedal until the battery runs out. They still on YouTube brag about how quickly they overtake ordinary cyclists. And they are all fat). Few people use it pedal assisted

  49. You can call it a lazy man’s bicycle, but you can also use same claim on people who opt for more expensive bicycles over the cheaper ones. Bicycle manufacturers are always trying to find a way to make a frame that will make it faster, easier, more enjoyable. As with expensive bikes, you can do a lot more things on an ebike than a non ebike. They have risen the bar for mountain biking and other courses.

  50. sylvain bernaers May 5, 2021 @ 1:14 am

    good for fat fucks

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