New Bosch Ebike Motors & Batteries! 2020 Updates from Germany Event
EBR was invited to Stuttgart Germany to test out the new electric bike motors and products from Bosch eBike Systems. Bosch eBike Systems was founded in 2009, with the first drive system already launching at Eurobike in 2010. Since then, eBikes have been “epowered by Bosch”. Bosch focuses on a complete eBike system; motor, battery casing, controller, display, mounts all made in house. In 2014 Bosch launched in the United States with the Performance Line motor, which soon expanded into the Performance Line Speed and the Performance Line CX. With a healthy lead in US market share, Bosch continued to innovate behind the scenes, until finally releasing a totally new platform and updates across their existing systems and products shown in this video. We’re really excited to share this with the EBR community, and appreciate your feedback and comments!
Bosch eBike Systems USA Office: (833) 267-2432
EBR video on Prior Bosch eBike systems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_Yf7xW1WY
EBR’s Bosch Ebike Forum: https://electricbikereview.com/forum/forums/bosch/
EBR video on Bosch ABS System: https://youtu.be/fQNkfpaRT5s
Do you know with the internal gears are made of metal or nylon?
I would not consider buying a bike with the new Bosch motor for one reason above all and that is that it cannot be derestricted. Also, who cares it’s 25% lighter. You’re riding an ebike and a few pounds here and there makes no difference. 25% lighter, you can bet your bottom $ that it’s going to be 25% more expensive. It’s also apparently quieter. Who cares? You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference unless you particularly listen for it. The only improvement I like to see, is better reliability and not necessarily Bosch but all motor manufacturers. I’ve gone through three Brose motors in as many years.
Smaller batteries but with at least 1kw of power is what I would spend my hard earned money on but no ebike company has come up with one yet. Putting more 1865 cells in a casing is not the answer because it’d inevitably mean bigger and heavier batteries. I am looking forward to the day that batteries and cells become smaller but much more powerful than the current batteries and cells.
Are bosch parts made in china?
Please help me convert "% assist" units to watts (peak and continuous). I can easily generate more than 300Nm of torque (for short periods) . If the motor can generate only 75Nm, Isn’t that a 25% assist?
25kmh is bullshiiiiiiiit
jumper wire would solve a lost or missing display
Can u tell me what bike is it at 4"34 pls ?
2020 Avanti Montari E Proformance Mountain Bike
I’ve lived in a number of cities, not one of them was flat.
Ah theres an E-fatbike with CX 2020, Kiox display, Mastodon Pro fork, M8000 drivetrain,M501 four piston brakes 203mmRotors,weights 22,2 kg…Thats my dream bike and it costs 3,4K€
All this is great but prices for e bikes are crazy. Just checked the a 2020 Trek Rail is 16 thousand $ plus tax in Canada Crazy
Nice, but I wonder how astronomical the prices will be. This vid is all I know of the new Bosch systems. That said, I much prefer Brose for their simplicity and efficiency. I also like that Brose’ focus is primarily on the motor itself, though this does make diagnosing problems more difficult.
The Bosch systems are nice, but way too complicated IMO. I mainly want an e-bike to function like an enhanced standard bike. I don’t like all Bosch’s fancy sensors and gizmos because it’s just more things that can malfunction. I just want a pedal-assist mainly for better efficiency on steep inclines. Are the sensors and gizmos really necessary?
Nice Job!
Don’t get me wrong. I have the utmost respect for German engineering, but don’t the Chinese manufacturers have a couple of decades more experience when it comes to ebikes and the various components? It also seems like their prices are more reasonable.
Disappointing !Disposable economy with no ability to upgrade the existing
Shoutout to GuardianBikes for pioneering ABS systems on Childrens bikes
Just get a sur ron bike
The DO NOT FILM sign at 1:50. LOLOL
Still can’t beat the Haibike Flyon at 120 N torque.
Great New Motors will allow new/ better design.
Got bored of video…will it do 50-60 km/h?
Hi! Do you think it’s possible to upgrade my Active Line with any of the new motors?
Mein "Like 707" ist dafür, dass das Video nicht mit sogenannter "Musik" verdorben wurde und die Kommentatoren möchte ich dafür loben, dass sie diesbezüglich nichts vermisst haben.
My "Like 707" is for not spoiling the video with so-called "music" and I would like to praise the commentators for not missing anything in this respect.
how dare you stand where they stood
sabe si se puede actualizar los motores boch 2019 y que mejora hay supesta mente que la hubiera
Is we can buy this motors
Great review Mikey! It is nice to get a preview of what the future holds for us in the business. There are a lot of comments about one system being better than another in some respect. They each have a place and are well represented in the marketplace, but our customers buy more eBikes with Bosch systems than all the other mid-drives combined.
When the motors and batteries will be available in Trek Bikes?
So my takeaways are still the annoying 45km/h 32km/h 25km/h limits that cant be changed even if you live in a region where they dont apply. Probably more bs added to prevent speedchips. Speed restrictions are so dumb, athletic/fit people on road bikes can easily exceed these speeds so why punish e-bikers only. Also on road its way safer to be going fast, when I rode a 25km/h e-bike I had issues with impatient motorists every day, now on a 45km/h bike I very rarely do.
Not much progress in the battery department apart from the 635wh tube model.
Security lock that probably doesnt lock up the drivetrain meaning its still pretty easy to steel via riding off on thus more sales for them anyway.
Meh… meh… MEH! Lame!
MOTOR BOSCH 2020, NOISE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWg3c3c2Wgs&t=2s
Everyone who draws their own conclusions, the video basically explains that the new 2020 bosch engine from a series of kilometers if you use it with energy and mountain, starts to make a rather annoying rattle in bumpy slopes a problem for those who do not We like noise going down.
Where would one go about purchasing Bosch motors and batteries separately? Or can you only buy them pre-made ebike…
You have to have the Aston Rider ebike kit placed very easily on any type of bike. It is only mounted by tightening a nut. I have the Pro kit a year ago without any problem! astonrider.com you find it
Compatibility with Fox electronic dampers???
Eh, just get a ebike kit for much less and get a heck of a lot more for your money than this…
I’ll take a carbon fiber bike with dual batteries, cargo speed motor, abs, live shocks, gps and an automatic bike bell that rings when it sees a pedestrian. While we’re at it throw in radar cruise control and automatic head lights. Is $30,000 enough for that?
Great review thanks
How much the motor$?
When we get to see 2020 models on specialized or trek bikes
The long distance touring e bikes like the Riese & Muller supercharger GX will benefit from the new upgrades in 2021 taking them up to 1250 watts
Performance Line lol, I run 10kw, but it’s kinda not a bike anymore. Bafang BBSHD for my commute 🙂 2000 miles on the clock, rock solid.
Have seen some reviewsa on 2020 CX noise and it’s a deal-breaker for me. Specially on lower gear/higher cadence/pressure it becomes so loud that it takes all the enjoyment from ride. Listen yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORqCbFRsKgA&t=171s
I opted for Active Line Plus instead which is super quiet.
Can I use one of these mid-drives with two 24V bottle batteries wired in series or parallel ?
So to sum it up… they’re still shit compared to Bafang…
people whining: stop and build your own endless-sphere.com
I’m rockin 2kwh, 85mile range, dual suspension, enduro frame, hyd brakes, etc, for $2k all in.
Bosch have programmed the new CX motor to be tamper proof in Europe. No more de restriction dongles or moving the magnet. A year from now the bosses at Bosch will be scratching their heads wondering why sales are so poor. People are sick of big brother ruling their lives and Bosch will learn the hard way. If the limit in Europe was raised to match the US 20mph limit everyone would be happy enough, but the current 15.5 mph limit is pathetic. Losing nearly 2lb of weight off the bikes will obviously help pushing the things forward a bit and make them a little more nimble, plus losing most of the terrible resistance at 15.5 mph will also help no doubt, but losing the ability to crank up the motor when occasionally needed will put many off, myself included. The current CX motor has just become a far more valuable asset here in Europe.
Should I go for a bosch motor e bike or a schimano as I like the trek powerfly but also the norco sight. What’s your honest opinion
A lil bit of garmin GPS would make it perfect. Anti theft think tank should also be part of ebike evolution.
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Great report but Bosch motors are kind of irrelevant now. Brose S Mag and/or the TQ are the motors to have now.
Damn, if you have a electric bike that’s going 25 km/h, u can tune it up to 50 km/h or faster, but not with the new 2020 electric motors. Anti tuning software detects engine tuning and manipulation via sensors. Bosch is obliged to do this according to standard EN15194 (only in Europe or also in the US?)
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