Small Arms of WWI Primer 042: French Model 92 Espagnol a S&W K-Frame Copy

Small Arms of WWI Primer 042: French Model 92 Espagnol a S&W K-Frame Copy

Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.

C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!

Additional reading:

The Revolver 1889-1914
AWF Taylerson

Smith and Wesson 1857 – 1945
Barnes

French Service Handguns 1858-2004
Medlin & Huon

The K-Frame Revolver
Mullin

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Historical music from this episode:

Ils n’passeront pas
Marcelly

Dinah
Peerless Quartet

Original music provided by Melissa Hyman of The Moon and You
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Readers Comments (50)

  1. I inherited a 1906 S&W hand ejector many years ago in .32 long from my grandfather which had quite a fascinating history. Fantastic revolver; one of the smoothest operating I have ever handled and amazingly accurate. It’s great to learn more about the history of the model evolution. Thanks for your dedication and the fantastic content that you thoroughly and consistently deliver! Keep up the great work fellow beard bearer! (And of course Mae and the all involved)

  2. Wish the history channel was like this

  3. Ah, the K-frame. The piece I carried on duty for an armoured car company. Didn’t know the original design was about 100 years old!

  4. awesome. awesome….awesome….

  5. Its basically a same model of the S&W M1917 Revolver but it was never produced until 1917 before The US joined war after the Sinking of the Lusitania from Germany’s unrestricted submarine warfare

  6. hi.I’m french and my father has two of these guns for ages…from his own father i guess, i’m not sure.Anyway, one of these two guns is double action only .

  7. I’ve got one of the Trocaola Aranzabal ones. The shop I bought it from took the badly kerned barrel stamping ("TROCAOLAARAMZABALYCIAEIBAR(ESPANA)") for Mystery Pistol gibberish, figured it was a WWII-vintage Victory clone ("possibly Chinese?"), and listed it as chambered in, and I quote, ".32 S&W???" Thank you for the tidbit about the star marking indicating 8mm French chambering, I’d probably never have figured that out otherwise! I love digging into little mysteries like that.

    I think my favorite thing about mine is that they spelled their own name wrong in the aforementioned barrel stamping. It really says TROCAOLA ARAMZABAL, with an M. 馃檪

  8. Im amazed by the quality of your work, the animations, diagrams, etc coming from such a small channel. Your hard work shows. I just wish you guys could find a way to streamline your videos, cut the fat as it were, because an hour long youtube video is just a bit much. Just a recommendation….
    Anyway saw a post war Spanish revolver at a gun shop for 100 bucks yesterday. Even at that price I couldnt justify buying it without knowing what it was. Went home to research and sure enough C&R has a detailed video on it haha! Went back today and it was sold. Just my luck.

  9. I think this episode definitely shows Mae’s shooting ability. With such an older double action she is able to keep her groups within what appears to be the size of one’s hand at 9 meters… one handed…. keep it up!

  10. Would it be possible for Mae to do a short piece on hold/grip & trigger technique for pistol & revolver stocks please, including the "looser grip" of Mae’s. Thanks in advance. Pete, (with small hands & short trigger finger).

  11. lars kuno Andersen November 25, 2020 @ 7:35 pm

    please make a episode on the m麓/ 1917 revolver

  12. I saw a nickel plated TAC at a local shop the other day, very nice price, in .38 I think. I’ll go back tomorrow and actually handle it. For the asking price it might be worth picking up. This review and a couple of print articles make me look more favorably at it, even though some of the forums have more negative opinions, probably out of ignorance, some lump them into the Saturday night special camp when clearly they are not that.

  13. "I’m Mae and I’m a revolver-holic."

    "Hi, Mae!"

  14. Don’t ditch the Peacemaker, it’s still the most popular revolver ever made… And still in production!

  15. I could have bought one of these for $150 at a pawnshop a few months ago and I’m still kicking myself over letting it go.

  16. Ive had one of these for years.it was marked as a 38 spl at the shop i got it from.when i got it home the 38 didnt fit.32-20 did but was lose.looked in a gun book and found out it was 8mm french,wow.

  17. The US Marines, on Iwo Jima, who were responsible for raising the flag, that was photographed in one of the most famous photographs of WWII, apparently had a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver that was passed down to around 12 different men as one would be injured or killed. I believe I heard this on the episode "US Firearms of World War II" by the History Channel series(from about two decades ago) "Tales of the Gun".

  18. Okay, Othais, you cant pronounce Connecticut but you can pronounce Worcester? I’m impressed.

  19. Love your work, Othias and Mae! I only recently discovered your channel, and I’ve been watching flat-out in an attempt to catch up; enjoying everything you’ve made well beyond this point, thank you! …So I would feel really bad if you took the following as anything other than an appreciative constructive suggestion: Some of us would find it easier if you described weapons that are well known in the US with the same level of unassumed knowledge as you do with foreign things. I do realise that most of your audience knows a ‘Military and Police revolver’ is a ‘1905’ is a ‘K-frame’ (and possibly also a ‘Model 10’?). But, as someone whose hands-on experience of handguns has been limited to the wartime ‘service’ and ‘personal’ handguns used by Australian forces and their former enemies, it took me quite a bit of internet research before I worked out that the ‘Smith and Wesson .455 MkII Hand Ejector’ is considered a different revolver because it was an ‘N-Frame’ (I think?…I’m sure there are more differences, which I’m yet hopeful to learn?). My main message is that you guys do awesome work and I’m a big fan.

  20. lars kuno Andersen November 25, 2020 @ 7:47 pm

    I am a history nerd from Denmark and love your channel. I can麓t WAIT for the episode on the m/ 1917. I just love than gun

  21. Nice video. I have one of those Eibar Spanish revolvers. Mine is in .38 special, is nickel plated, and was made in 1924. It’s timing is still good but I had to retire it, it began having light strikes. v_v

  22. Spanish guns are a great value, and the ones I’ve seen are very well made.

  23. I think Othais said Hermanos hand of fate… and I died laughing 馃槀

  24. The history of gross military and governmental favoritism towards Colt back then is really rather apparent looking back.
    Sometimes to a criminal level…

  25. Iv got on that the frame is cast iron and has 38 long stamped in the barrel. The cylinder has been milled with a stop for 38 spl. I’m still alil afraid to shot it tho since it’s a cast frame.

  26. JonManProductions November 25, 2020 @ 7:56 pm

    Coming back to this video… I did the math, and they would have wasted over 2.7 million rounds of ammo on just testing each one of these things before handing it off to the nearest units who need em.

  27. 2 years later and still no 1911 episode?!?

  28. Trocaola S&W top break clones were good enough to become a British alternative pattern option, very high quality manufacturer.

  29. According to gunsmith Grant Cunningham, the Colts keep time just as well as the S&Ws do IF you keep up on the scheduled maintenance. The Colt system uses the hand to exert pressure on the cylinder, holding it solidly in place. When the trigger is pressed and held down on an S&W, there will be a tiny amount of play in the cylinder. This is not a problem, it’s how the gun is designed and supposed to work. The Colt, on the other hand, when the trigger is pressed and held down, should have NO play in the cylinder AT ALL. None. The cylinder should stay put like it was welded to the frame until you release the trigger. Colts get out of time because when the hand starts to wear out, there begins to be a little play in the cylinder, and shooters used to S&Ws and other revolvers that are supposed to have this tiny amount of play think nothing of it and keep shooting the gun long after it should be serviced, and then it does go out of time. The Colt system causes the hand to wear a bit faster, but this is the most easily replaced part in the lockwork, and it gave the cylinder the "bank vault lockup" which was supposed to improve the gun’s accuracy. As long as you replace the hand at the recommended intervals, Colt’s keep time as well as any other revolver, but the wear to the hand is something you need to watch out for.

  30. Matthew Carberry November 25, 2020 @ 8:00 pm

    "We’re gonna have to pretend to be a little dumb…" Mae doesn’t change expression or even glance at the camera. Do not plat poker with that woman.

  31. Nice video, guys! Mae always looks so happy when she’s shooting.

  32. I have a Garate Anitua in .38 long colt. Thanks for the cool video.

  33. Nicholas Mazzarella November 25, 2020 @ 8:03 pm

    Wow I bought one of these a few years back and it totally rocks in 8mm. Thanks for the history I did not know all of this.

  34. I just noticed how you tongue-tripped ALL OVER "Connecticut," but absolutely nailed the pronunciation of "Worcester."

  35. It’s pronounced "Wista".

  36. Nicholas Mazzarella November 25, 2020 @ 8:06 pm

    Wow nice shooting Mae. I have one of these and love to shoot it. You shoot it far better than I do. Great show guys. I love the history and the guns. Keep it up.

  37. ww2 guns would be nice.

  38. lars kuno Andersen November 25, 2020 @ 8:07 pm

    shot placement should be obvious in this case

  39. Orville Joder Jr November 25, 2020 @ 8:07 pm

    i have a Orbea revolver and I love it.

  40. I think this might be my favorite episode from you guys. Smith & Wessons are beautiful and the guns that came out of Spain during WWI are just fascinating to see every time. Othai’s dry humor really got a chuckle out of me too.

  41. To be fair to Colt, Rollin White’s patent was for a "breach loading magazine fed paper cartridge revolver" that would never have worked and if I were Colt I would have refused his patent too.

  42. You guys are awsome!!! I bought one from an online auction 2 years ago and just like you said, it was labeled as 32-20. So while I waited for this to arrive, I ordered all my reloading gear for this caliber. Got into a bit of an argument with the gun store guy because he kept saying it was a 38. Sure enough, on the cylinder it had a clear 38 stamped where the star should be. Anyway, I loaded some 32-20 and it fired them, just not very good at all. Again, just like you said. So it sat in the safe ever since and I could not find any information on this revolver. No markings on it besides serial numbers, 38 on the cylinder and Orbea Hermanos. None of my reloading books were of any help. Until I came across this video. I literally jumped off my couch as if watching a sporting event!!! Scared the crap out of my girlfriend sitting next to me. I looked up this caliber and found a video on how to make this ammo out of 32-20 components. That very day, I spent it making the ammo and tested it. Worked perfectly!!! Othias, Mae, you all rock!!! Thank you so much!!!

  43. Mae, when you are firing on horseback, won’t you have to reqaquire your sight after every shot anyhow?

  44. Generic Person X November 25, 2020 @ 8:16 pm

    The heady days of the 1870s, when Congress stilled prided itself on how much money it could save, not lavish, and the USA kept about 17,000 men under arms against an active military threat while the British had 250,000 in India eating curry, the French kept 400,000+ under arms just in case the Germans sent their 2,000,000+ reservists over the border, and the Mexicans had at least 25,000 protecting the Diaz regime. Really amazing to think such was the world at one time.

  45. Why did Spain get away carte blanch in ripping off our weapons copyrights???

  46. Well shit
    Ive owned ome of these for years, its been a wall hanger, always wondered what it was about.
    pretty damn cool.

    Side note, mine is actually marked 32-20 WCF on the barrel, now you have me wondering if they stamped that simply becuase it would fit and fire.

  47. In a not too distant future next Sunday AD …. lol

  48. William Barnett-Lewis November 25, 2020 @ 8:18 pm

    Gah, this K-frame geek is in heaven from finding this one. Thanks guys!

  49. Wooster mass. 馃槀.

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